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this is james fox and you're listening

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podcast my name is andy and with me is

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my bottling co-host dan who i did ask

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did he want to read the intro and he's

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just told us no because again he said he

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the people aren't worth it i think was

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his exact words is that right how can i

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compete with those beautiful

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northern tones

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that's a point but yeah welcome everyone

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back to the podcast and you know what i

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realize i've just done someone had said

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earlier uh that they really like the

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podcast because we don't talk about a

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name nonsense for 20 minutes before we

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get into interviews or conversation and

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stuff and i think we've started with it

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but it's not 20 minutes it's like 40

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seconds so far so that's okay we we do

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talk about a lot of

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stuff before we start recording that

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people could maybe say wasn't a nonsense

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you know but yeah we get that out the

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way though um all the libel stuff just

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just to make sure that we can we're good

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use the torch on it but it just shows

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even if you hate them why not it's nice

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to be nice isn't it done

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yeah it's probably loving the world yeah

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dan's all about spreading love listen um

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quite a cool night for uh for ufo news

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to be honest we got a tommed along jim

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semivan interview last night dan didn't

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i was quite impressed by it scene seemed

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pretty good um write-ups and people

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quite happy with it i know you've got a

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lot of notes i've got a lot of notes um

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but what else we're going to talk about

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if you've heard one of ross kiltart's

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many many interviews recently i am still

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speaking to him next month when things

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will be a bit fresher and he's got some

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new information coming out apparently um

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he mentioned bob fish or robert fish as

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someone whose name comes up when we hear

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about john podesta and leaked emails and

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and ross coulthart said on a few

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interviews people should be speaking to

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bob fish

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sent me back quite a lengthy email or a

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couple of emails with uh some some stuff

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that he's more than happy for me to

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quote he isn't looking to do um any

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interviews just now or or engage with

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the ufo community as he says i've read

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out to dan before dan was quite um

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impressed with the responses i was given

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yeah almost a little bit disappointed

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that he's not coming on to talk to

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anyone just now and you know what if he

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hear from i'm going to read out the

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response in phil um after we've talked

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about the tom delong and jim sim of our

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interview we we should say as well that

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andy has asked permission to read these

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responses out uh you know it's important

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to just always treat people with respect

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and i just wanted to be clear in that

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yeah whenever i get a quote from anyone

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at all i always make sure it's okay for

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them for me to share anything sometimes

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people will tell me um say this instead

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the end of this however last night uh we

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phenomena influences tom and his art

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and airwaves tom yeah you know what if i

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had tom on the podcast and he said okay

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i'll answer one question dan would

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totally ruin it with oh your next album

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what's it going to be like is it going

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to be a creative expression of your yeah

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tom just coming on a podcast but he's

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of view and having the podcast it gave

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because there is a whole lot there

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about where i'm shouting ask this or

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that i was like ah you could have got in

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audience for that there's there's this

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know hal people like that they don't

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like to say what the government knows

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but it seems that if you give them a

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they will tell you a lot

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yeah yeah and again we have to remember

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this isn't a ufo podcast it was on it

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was a a scientific podcast brian keating

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announced at the start of it that he he

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was also part of the galileo project

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with avi loeb and others um he's on the

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advisory side of things um i believe

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like a research affiliate

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yeah so that that's good to see he's

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involved in that and a self-confessed

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skeptic which is which is great and

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that's that's fine that's what we need

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someone coming into this who would be

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more than happy for yep there's nothing

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in it and we've proved that but also

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he's coming into it to say

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maybe there is something to it and i

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would love there to be ufos dipping in

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and out the ocean or nuts and bolts

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craft or non-physical craft

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materializing in orbit spoiler alert but

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that's that's good to see and that's

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good to have him on board and we also

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theories of everything podcast hopefully

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for that one folks there's a bit of a um

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bit of a news drop for you um

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came into this from

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a very inquisitive place where he you

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could really see he doesn't know what to

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think

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yet of the subject and you can you can

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see the wheels turning in his head which

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when you've got a video podcast it's

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good to kind of see that on youtube

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where there was a lot of pauses that i

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think if you were if you were just

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listening to the audio

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you might have been like you know why

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the big gap or

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delete that or a post-production program

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might remove a lot of those silences but

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when you're watching it you can see he's

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almost a little confused at some of the

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the stuff being talked about not that he

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doesn't understand but just from a point

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of view of i can't believe i'm talking

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about this as potentially being being

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real

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yeah yeah absolutely kurt likes to use

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his interviews um as kind of like office

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hours so everything's very

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conversational and it's him exploring

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ideas and you're exactly right that's

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why we get the kind of silences where

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you can see the cogs worrying but that's

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why i really love his channel because

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he's thoughtful and what more can you

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ask for you know

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that's it so um and to the interview

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i've got a ton of notes here i know dan

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does as well uh and i liked already a

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few people on twitter when i asked them

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their thoughts said they hadn't listened

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to it they were going to wait on myself

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and dan breaking it down for them so um

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you've if you've not heard it yet

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hopefully we can do it justice uh right

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at the start jim simavon who

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is far more elusive than tom delong

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and doing these kind of things and

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someone i wish we heard more from uh he

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says early on when he was first

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introduced to tommed along and um tom

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was starting to get involved at the

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level he eventually got to with with

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louis elizondo chris mellon jim simov

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and hal put off steve justice all those

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guys he fell tommed along putting his

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information together and explaining what

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he thought had hit the nail on the head

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with his kind of summary of what the

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phenomenon may or may not be and um that

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seems to be quite an endorsement from

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from jim semivan of tom delong's line of

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thinking dania

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yeah yeah absolutely and it was really

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interesting that tom followed on from

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that comment with talking about

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consciousness and science as you know we

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have them kind of separate at the moment

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and they used to be one in the same um

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and he thinks what's ahead of us is that

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those things are going to become one of

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the same um and he explained which he

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might have said before but i didn't

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realize um that the arts and science in

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you know ttsa um he thinks of the arts

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as ideas and consciousness so really

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what that is is consciousness and

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science

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yeah and that's he's kind of getting at

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the fact that you know 2000 years ago or

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more people's way of understanding magic

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or

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how they could understand things at that

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time and that's maybe why a lot of these

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things are are put into context of of

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religious texts um

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he mentioned our brains just being oh

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quick side note do you know what it made

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me think of as well though was like if

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religion was the science of the time and

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how things were understood and then it's

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evolved into you know science hopefully

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taking over a bit more you remember in

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the south park episode with the otters

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where basically as science as the new

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religion but it's evolved to a place of

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where people are now warring over

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science and it's the same question just

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asked three different ways and it's like

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that's where you could see hopefully not

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but you know the evolution of science

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could go um if it takes over as the new

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religion um

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yeah that just made me think of that the

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way tom mentioned it and he mentioned

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initially something i've talked about

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before and we've talked about dan on the

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podcast with different guests that you

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know

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as

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we are some type of antenna antennae

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antenna um which makes me think are our

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brains just receivers you know that

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the soul isn't necessarily based locally

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you know the idea of caspar the friendly

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ghost when you die and your soul floats

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out your body

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maybe that's not how it works and you

387
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both talked about the idea before that

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your brain just receives a signal from

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somewhere else and it could be totally

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non-local that you're experiencing what

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you experience as the human condition

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because you're getting that signal from

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elsewhere i kind of got a little bit of

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that when again it's not the first time

395
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i've heard this mentioned about

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being an antenna of some sorts

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what what what do you like about that

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kind of thing or not like even although

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i think i mean you like that

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conversation i yeah i mean i i love it

401
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you know we've talked about this before

402
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and it's a really interesting thing to

403
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me um to think about the the thing i

404
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worry about with the antenna analogy is

405
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that people think of it like you know we

406
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we have an antenna and then we have like

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a broadcasting station elsewhere so

408
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people will be like where's the source

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coming from when really

410
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the source is you know it's it's all

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layered up on top of each other

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so it's not necessarily that you know

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there's a beacon on alpha centauri

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beaming out consciousness it's that

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consciousness permeates everything and

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we can just view this level basically in

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this world and that there may be other

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ones beside us and above us and you know

419
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it's really crazy to think about

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i think jim simovann mentioned at some

421
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point i don't i think it was later on

422
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but to do with

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oh no actually sorry i'm getting

424
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confused with the bob fish email and

425
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there's something relevant that bob says

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later on about your your eyes and ears

427
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can't see certain things but your mind

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can potentially view them and i'll read

429
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that out within the context of the email

430
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later but again it gets back to you know

431
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:18,880
when you dream does it take away those

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kind of senses that maybe interfere with

433
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being able to see all that other stuff

434
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and you know the world of remote viewing

435
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and all that kind of stuff as well so i

436
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thought that was pretty interesting

437
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,519
interesting point um

438
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:31,440
skin walker ranch was mentioned very

439
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early on by kurt he just kind of bluffed

440
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it out it was like

441
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there was a little bit of mumbling in

442
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the context and then skin walker ranch

443
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what's going on there and tom was like

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me

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so

446
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i don't think there was anything

447
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necessarily new there was her when he

448
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talks about multiple things happening at

449
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skinwalker ranch umbrella phenomenon

450
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there's potential you know dimensional

451
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or different dimensions at play um time

452
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displacement um

453
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what were your thoughts because i want

454
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to talk a little bit about here about

455
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the idea of displacing time and how

456
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these things may or may not

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appear

458
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yeah the this was an interesting section

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tom you know jim was pretty reserved he

460
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just said you know a lot of stuff

461
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,199
happens there um whereas tom

462
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had more knowledge of it than i expected

463
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um

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you know he spoke about skinwalker as a

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kind of pathway for discussing

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alternative explanations aside from et

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um

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because the data doesn't seem to

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necessarily suggest that it is et um

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he mentioned that the craft seemed to

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displace our time like a sub in the

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ocean which is really interesting

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because we we've definitely touched on

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speaking about

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the medium that we are in and we always

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use the the ocean analogy right um

477
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but in that analogy i guess the ocean

478
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would be time itself um and there's

479
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there's not really been done a a lot of

480
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research on

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that kind of idea um

482
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or on time itself to be honest so it'll

483
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be interesting if that's the path that

484
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this goes down um

485
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later on tom does kind of say to

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curtin ryan that that's their hope that

487
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by talking about this the these aspects

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will start to be explored

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um

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yeah

491
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so i know it's kind of touched on in a

492
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couple of different places right and i

493
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think it's a good good time to talk

494
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about it the whole idea of like

495
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displacing time and i i think this might

496
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be something i can a position really

497
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,319
badly so i try and use analogies that i

498
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:28,480
understand to to try and get my point

499
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,000
across okay that's cool that's what

500
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,480
that's our analogies are for so a few

501
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things when you think about for example

502
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if you're talking about a place like

503
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skinwalker ranch just being a really

504
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strong place for forget the tv show

505
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right forget they're trying to make a tv

506
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,080
show as part of it that there's

507
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something going on there right um

508
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,840
if you imagine one of these objects and

509
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tom talks about that they don't

510
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necessarily come from far away in space

511
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but and we've talked about again down to

512
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our credit i'd like to think on this

513
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program that potentially they

514
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materialize in space because maybe it's

515
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an easier way to come into this reality

516
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and not have all those different factors

517
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of weather and atmospheres and all that

518
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,480
kind of stuff maybe yeah and there's the

519
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idea as well that

520
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the the propulsion system would expel so

521
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much energy that it could be really

522
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dangerous for them to do on earth you

523
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know might wipe out a state or something

524
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like that yeah i mean right so i've

525
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talked about as well that so imagine

526
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like we are in the ocean okay

527
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and one of these things wants to wants

528
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to come in if you come in from the top

529
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of the ocean

530
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you're and you're having to puncture

531
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that initial layer of water on the top

532
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,600
okay and it only takes a tiny bit of

533
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force to do that but maybe they have to

534
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:43,200
do something similar to get into this

535
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reality whether some level of force has

536
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to be applied

537
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:47,760
well

538
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:50,160
to get through that that's interesting

539
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,760
because

540
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,000
as you know ttsa have a bunch of books

541
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:55,679
and they're all called secret machines

542
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,280
and there's a reason for for that um the

543
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,120
the secret in the title is kind of a

544
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,120
play on the idea that these machines are

545
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:05,200
secreted from elsewhere

546
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:07,840
so uh i mean yeah you've just explained

547
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,799
that and it's okay

548
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,240
i haven't actually read those yet i've

549
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,080
got a few on audiobook that i do mean to

550
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,760
get to and i will definitely get to at

551
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,360
some point

552
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,000
the uh the gods man and war isn't out

553
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,919
yet series is a little bit dry but it

554
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,440
talks about a lot of really interesting

555
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,520
things um whereas the other series

556
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,600
chasing shadows in a fight within a more

557
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,360
like dan brown

558
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,360
airport kind of reads you know they're a

559
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:32,799
lot of fun and you'll get through them

560
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:35,360
quickly but imagine dan brown with ufo

561
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,039
law okay cool so that's my thinking is

562
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,120
that maybe these things sometimes have

563
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,520
to push through and that's why you get

564
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,640
the kind of people talk about

565
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,559
gravitational lensing and all that kind

566
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,360
of effects and maybe that's that affects

567
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,200
how we can take clear pictures of them

568
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,720
or videos and all that kind of stuff and

569
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,200
why they can look bloody and hazy um so

570
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,799
it would be the same as you know pushing

571
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,720
pushing a submarine down the top of the

572
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,799
ocean the water doesn't go away it just

573
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,640
moves away from it

574
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,880
and you then have that kind of effect of

575
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,159
them coming in and it would look a bit

576
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,480
warped and distorted almost like

577
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,720
creating like uh an interdimensional

578
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,480
viewport that you can move around but

579
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,039
that viewport to us looks like across

580
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,520
that hold that yeah so my other one is a

581
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,039
little bit like and i think i've talked

582
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:21,840
on this before quantum leap he goes into

583
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,640
a chamber and the idea is that al can be

584
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,000
in the chamber if you've not seen

585
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,919
quantum leap guy goes in and travels

586
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:29,679
back in time great tv show go and watch

587
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,320
it

588
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,159
yeah hopefully they disappoint an ending

589
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:34,240
though i will say ah

590
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:35,520
hopefully it's not ended hopefully they

591
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,559
bring it back

592
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:38,159
there's always talk about the way it

593
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,840
comes back um interesting ending um but

594
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,320
the idea being that he jumps and leaps

595
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,320
into different people's bodies and time

596
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,880
and has to complete a purpose to then

597
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,640
move on to hopefully try and leap home

598
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,760
okay

599
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,159
al who has has kind of companion along

600
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,760
the way has done

601
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,360
he is um

602
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,600
accompanying him as a hologram

603
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,039
so he can't interact with the

604
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,120
environment but he can be there with him

605
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,600
and you see al on the way and i wonder

606
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,440
maybe is there a way that these things

607
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,880
sometimes especially maybe the

608
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,559
non-physical ones

609
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,120
go into some sort of apparatus on one

610
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,280
end that allows them like i think you've

611
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:17,200
just kind of said there allows them to

612
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:18,159
view

613
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,760
this reality or to some extent

614
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,520
see this reality you know people talk

615
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,280
about orbs and all that kind of stuff

616
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,440
maybe that's an element of that and it's

617
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,679
how they can they can kind of come into

618
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:30,559
this

619
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,320
physically being here

620
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,840
how how about a nice feature i'm a

621
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,960
reference

622
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,480
remember the episode where they make a

623
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,559
time machine that only goes forward

624
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,400
yep and they kind of they like overshoot

625
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,440
the end of the universe and they have to

626
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,360
loop background and stuff like that but

627
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,960
if you think about

628
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,480
that specific craft

629
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,640
that craft was in one place it did not

630
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,480
move the universe you know kind of moved

631
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,400
around it but given that we moved

632
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,559
through a physical space to anyone on

633
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,000
earth looking at that craft it would

634
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,840
look like that craft was moving and it

635
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,679
would be moving in the direction that

636
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,600
you know probably opposite to

637
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,440
where the earth was moving and where the

638
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,880
universe was moving and everything like

639
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:07,679
that

640
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:12,000
craft was a viewport throughout time and

641
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,280
it could just loop and loop and it

642
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,600
looked like it did crazy crazy stuff um

643
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
but to the occupants it was perfectly

644
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:19,919
reasonable you know there weren't any

645
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,799
crazy g-forces because they were still

646
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,240
the physics of that would hot your hair

647
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,159
don't they like i'm not a mathematician

648
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,360
at all

649
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,400
brian and you know eric weinstein and

650
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,840
kurt are kind of getting in on it

651
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,200
because these are the guys who can do

652
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,120
the equations instead of just wax

653
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,960
lyrical you know

654
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,320
absolutely but yeah i just wanted to

655
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,679
bring that up there is a you know

656
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,000
speculative piece on on that kind of

657
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,240
idea and just to get people thinking a

658
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,400
little bit about nuts and bolts craft

659
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,400
and traveling from a to b this is stuff

660
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,240
that potentially we have to start

661
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,600
looking at and when we keep pairing

662
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,440
things like the universe or the

663
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,600
phenomenon is far stranger than we can

664
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,360
can think of i can perceive or can

665
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,200
imagine it's that kind of stuff where

666
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,960
you have to start going it's not just

667
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,880
how we understand things traveling from

668
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,280
a to b it could be all of this or none

669
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,559
of what we talk about at all and

670
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,320
something no one's even considered which

671
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,799
is probably just as likely

672
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,480
imagine trying to

673
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,640
like say say for example we got

674
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,400
the thing they made in up and a dog

675
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,360
could talk

676
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:19,120
and then you try and explain to the dog

677
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,240
some of the things that happens in the

678
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,559
world you know the dog knows your house

679
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,840
you know that fairly familiar with the

680
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,440
people inside it doesn't know there are

681
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,960
billions of other humans outside and

682
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,880
billions of other dogs it knows about

683
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,480
birds maybe but

684
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,120
like my dog has a giraffe teddy but she

685
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,200
has no idea the giraffes are real so

686
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,559
there are certain things in the world

687
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,080
that would just

688
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,840
they would melt her brain you know like

689
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,760
hey look at this this is a factory

690
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,520
what's a factory there would be so much

691
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,840
to explain and it's going to be the same

692
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,919
with us in this phenomena the questions

693
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,640
we are asking are so

694
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,240
they're almost childlike at the moment

695
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,679
you know just because we don't know what

696
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,760
we're dealing with and and like um i

697
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,200
think it was brian said that there's no

698
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,600
kind of real lexicon and collection of

699
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,200
words that we can use to describe a lot

700
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,039
of this stuff and that's what we need to

701
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,720
start building and once we do that we

702
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,240
can actually start having proper

703
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,840
scientific conversations about this

704
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,320
stuff absolutely even imagine going back

705
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,240
in time like 40 years right

706
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,159
and approaching

707
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,919
steve jobs and i can't what was the

708
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,679
other guy's name who helped him start

709
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
apple steve wasn't a heck

710
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,000
there was another guy um but he sold his

711
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,480
shares fairly early on

712
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,200
was it like 12 12 000 or something the

713
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,120
shares are now worth like 300 million

714
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,440
something yeah ridiculous yeah um but

715
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,799
well done that guy for helping start

716
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,880
things he's you know he's one morally

717
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,120
yeah go him yeah but imagine going back

718
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,559
in time and going to them and saying

719
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,000
okay i've got this idea like i'm from

720
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,080
the future and it's an iphone and they

721
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,480
blit okay and you you're telling them

722
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,159
what an iphone does they'd probably love

723
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:46,799
it

724
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,919
you couldn't tell them how to make that

725
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,799
you couldn't tell them how it works but

726
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,640
you could influence them in a really

727
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,320
subtle way there was a point part of

728
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:00,159
this conversation uh the interview with

729
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,440
tom and jim that was really interesting

730
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,600
where jim was gonna get to but i'll let

731
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,640
you carry on i don't know what you're

732
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,360
gonna say whether the phenomena was a

733
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,799
kind of

734
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,320
it was just trying to impact us on a

735
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,400
socio-cultural level you know he said

736
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,919
what's the point of catholic mutilation

737
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:15,279
what we're sat here talking about and

738
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,720
talking about concepts that really

739
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,080
stretch our understanding of the

740
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,480
universe and this kind of conversation

741
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,279
or what is what advances us um and in

742
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,039
your example going back with an iphone

743
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,400
you know if you went back to steve jobs

744
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,760
with an iphone and you tried to explain

745
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,520
it he wouldn't have a goddamn clue how

746
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,760
to make that thing but yeah you could

747
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,679
say to him every single person in the

748
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,840
world has one of these and he'd go whoa

749
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,799
what we can make computers for everyone

750
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,960
and then you kind of have the you know

751
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,600
the reason of being for apple

752
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,720
and then

753
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,559
their goal is to make computers for

754
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,720
everyone you know not to make the iphone

755
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,880
but to kind of proliferate that

756
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,279
technology and impact our culture so

757
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,880
it's interesting you know you can kind

758
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,320
of pull a broad stroke from the from the

759
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,520
influence

760
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,120
and that's and that's that i'm glad you

761
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,240
said that that's where i was going with

762
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,640
that that you you couldn't explain it

763
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,760
you couldn't go back and tell them how

764
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,200
to do it you don't have the wherewithal

765
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,720
and the know-how

766
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,159
but you know you know what it isn't how

767
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,240
to use it and maybe some of the stuff

768
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,000
we're getting like jim says and you've

769
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,840
heard this before in other interviews is

770
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,760
the fact that

771
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,840
it's it's there to give us something to

772
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,080
look at and talk about and start to work

773
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,880
out and maybe advances our technology in

774
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,480
some way shape or form

775
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,720
if roswell had been a crash that was

776
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,919
deliberate

777
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,400
that we then used some of the

778
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,720
technology to make the first computer

779
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,919
chips you know what we never made

780
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,679
anti-gravitational craft it could fly

781
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,600
through the solar system the universe or

782
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,360
or different dimensions

783
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,679
not at that point in time maybe but it

784
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,919
did let us start to make or develop

785
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,480
faster computers and a lot of technology

786
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,240
that came after that so maybe that's and

787
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,919
that's what they kind of got in parts of

788
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,000
the interview as well yeah they

789
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,000
exemplified it at one point with um

790
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,159
talking about project galileo and saying

791
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,840
that if project galileo gets one

792
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,000
photograph that is permission for every

793
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,760
single scientist on this planet to turn

794
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,760
their attention towards it towards the

795
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,000
subject and we've seen over the past few

796
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,799
years what can happen when scientists do

797
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,640
that on a global scale we went from no

798
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,480
coronavirus vaccine to how many have we

799
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,840
got now and we're arguing over the

800
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,919
different veracity you know it's a

801
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,520
problem that we probably wouldn't have

802
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,440
thought we would have like

803
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,919
we have so much advancement that we we

804
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
can't

805
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,600
kind of pass it properly and it would be

806
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,760
wonderful to get to that point with this

807
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,880
subject

808
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,240
where they all get involved and if

809
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,159
people work together a little bit yeah

810
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,080
all the resources

811
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,600
to be involved in this because this is

812
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,919
huge and that that brings me to another

813
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,360
thing that tom was talking about where

814
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,840
someone said what kept you up at night

815
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,120
what was it that you were told that kept

816
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,440
you up at night and he had this really

817
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,360
great rant where he basically said i'm

818
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,640
not going to talk about that and then

819
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,960
spoke about it um yeah

820
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,120
and and he said that

821
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,440
it was kind of the realization

822
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,880
well he mentioned that there might be an

823
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,480
influence to keep us suppressed in a

824
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,240
weird way where they can take advantage

825
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,440
which i thought was interesting because

826
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,960
it kind of plays into the war angle of

827
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,360
the the book series um

828
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,600
but he he said that once you kind of

829
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:12,080
start to really internalize

830
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,730
um grok the idea um

831
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,760
[Music]

832
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,360
that you start to look around you and

833
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,360
not really trust your environment and he

834
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,440
said that his mum's you know full-on

835
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,600
christian goes to church every sunday

836
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,799
um and he said but if his mum saw

837
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,880
jesus in her house with a crown of

838
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,360
thorns floating glowing floating towards

839
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,799
her in the middle of the fight super

840
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,799
freak out like it's a reality people

841
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,799
aren't ready for but yeah it made me

842
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,559
think of how

843
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,799
religion

844
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,360
it kind of codifies ideas you know the

845
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,120
bible isn't necessarily exactly about

846
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,720
the stories they're about the lessons we

847
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:48,880
take from the stories right and it kind

848
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,480
of codifies these ideas and we

849
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,279
we accept them safely in those forms you

850
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,360
know like talking about the science of

851
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,640
the holy trinity is crazy but it seems

852
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,760
like we're starting to get to a point

853
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,200
where we can talk about the science of

854
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,880
the body spirit and mind

855
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,720
and that's really interesting because as

856
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,880
tom said you know that that idea that

857
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,480
holy trinity kind of links all of the

858
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,399
religions and all of the myths and

859
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,799
things like that um so it's pointing

860
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,640
that religion isn't really about the

861
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:18,240
stories it's about the physics it's

862
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,520
hinting at

863
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,039
yeah and i'm going to follow up on the

864
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,720
religion point there just something that

865
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,240
was just said before that we don't even

866
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,679
have to discuss it i'm just going to

867
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,080
throw this in there jim semivan once

868
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,320
again like chris mellon and other people

869
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,000
have done was

870
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,039
couldn't state more clearly this is not

871
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,279
russia this is not china this is not the

872
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,919
united states it leaves nothing as the

873
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,000
other option and that nothing as

874
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000
non-human technology he referred to as

875
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,679
non-human intelligence

876
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,520
it's clearly not human

877
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,159
he then paused and said well not human

878
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,080
as we know it but he done that thing

879
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,760
that if you're an expert in body

880
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,640
language

881
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,960
it was that he's correcting himself

882
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,279
because there's something he knows

883
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:01,200
or is aware of because he does that

884
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,480
thing where he looks a certain way and

885
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,120
goes yeah not as we know it almost as if

886
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,559
something inside's going out that's not

887
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,120
quite right it's as kind of human

888
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,520
it's breadcrumb right yeah and and

889
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,039
that's the thing like

890
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,039
the stuff that tom in this interview

891
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,760
kept saying in my opinion it's this

892
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,320
like semivans comments like this fit

893
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:22,159
right in with what tom was saying and

894
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,279
we've got to remember the statement

895
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,720
right at the beginning that tom hit the

896
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,399
nail on the head according to semi then

897
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,000
so it's it's a

898
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,000
bonanza of an interview really do you

899
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,360
know what i would like to go back and

900
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,000
watch this interview again but ask if

901
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,799
brian and curt could release the video

902
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,120
of tom talking

903
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,360
but i want to see jim simavon stream the

904
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,200
whole time because i want to see his

905
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,600
reactions to what tom's saying

906
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,279
and that's not something we got to see

907
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,360
just with the way it's cut and i would

908
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,399
rather see

909
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,360
how jim's facials change with certain

910
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,840
statements yeah i know what you mean i

911
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:57,600
know what you mean just to see if

912
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,039
there's any give or tell or

913
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,200
you know how and on a similar line how

914
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,679
people are reacting um i i thought i had

915
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,200
a great comment that i kind of really

916
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,919
resonated with he said in metal gear

917
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,600
solid when a god was alerted there would

918
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,120
be like an exclamation mark over their

919
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,120
head and he said that this subject makes

920
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,519
him constantly feel like that links to

921
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,039
it with the

922
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,960
exclamation mark over his head and i i

923
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,519
really uh i really identified with that

924
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,039
would that make like the twitter trolls

925
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,320
the ones that are crawling about in

926
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,080
cardboard boxes hiding behind us all now

927
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,159
and again just knocking on walls

928
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,159
distracting us that's what is

929
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,399
playing up to the trickster element yeah

930
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,760
and there's a little metal gear solid

931
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,039
reference for the fork on there but

932
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,880
listen if cut dry mungo can do it on a

933
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,880
podcast with jim simov and tom delong

934
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,320
then we can do it here

935
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,320
semiotics of our generation right

936
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,039
absolutely um now listen uh you

937
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,880
mentioned religion before and tom talked

938
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,720
about that um

939
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,960
his mother's religious background and

940
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,720
how devote christians she is and

941
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
everything like that he also mentioned i

942
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,200
can't remember the follow-up uh of the

943
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,640
context behind it but it was in that

944
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,279
same breadth where he talks about

945
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,960
ancient texts within the oh that was it

946
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,640
so he was talking about the phenomenon

947
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,200
didn't start in the 40s it went back to

948
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,240
long before that he talked about

949
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,720
petroglyphs he talked about modern times

950
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
and he even talked about ancient texts

951
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,880
in the vatican vaults that's a rabbit

952
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,640
hole right there and something that's

953
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
the kind of stuff where i'm like oh it's

954
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,159
a total sidebar

955
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,760
but

956
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,519
it's a really good conversation they

957
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,880
have and i would i want to try and get

958
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,720
someone on from that point of view that

959
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,120
can talk about that whole idea of one of

960
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,799
the things i was interested in years ago

961
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,320
folks okay you know one of those guilty

962
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,559
pleasures that kinda gets you into the

963
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,519
whole subject of like this and like i i

964
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,880
love the idea of time travel and

965
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,440
different ways to time travel or even

966
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,200
just different concepts i like watching

967
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,679
time travel movies to see how they do it

968
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,760
i'll watch even really bad time travel

969
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,799
movies

970
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,440
or or youtube clips just to see how the

971
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,519
time travel works or how it looks okay

972
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,360
have you i've got to just ask here have

973
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,039
you seen primer

974
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,080
uh yeah the box yeah yeah yeah oh that's

975
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,760
a good one for it if anyone wants to see

976
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,519
it and that's that's what it lands

977
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,399
actually

978
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,640
yeah quite low budget but yeah yeah

979
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,000
that's why i watched that back in the

980
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,919
day and then you look at tennit and the

981
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,360
the idea of the spinning you know it

982
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,919
goes round and it takes 15 watches to

983
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,600
understand it if you're me

984
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,840
and i still don't totally do but the

985
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,080
idea of digressing was that the vatican

986
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,240
has a time machine in its fault which

987
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,799
probably isn't true however

988
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,640
the idea that they have a lot of stuff

989
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,399
down there that pertains to this subject

990
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,720
for me is fascinating and it goes back

991
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,840
to that whole

992
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200
point at the start of the interview dan

993
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,360
like you mentioned where

994
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,600
religion and science were once the same

995
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,919
thing and it's all physics or what we

996
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,200
call physics

997
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,399
and then you've got quantum physics and

998
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,240
quantum mechanics and a whole load of

999
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,320
other quantums that just start to

1000
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,320
potentially we would call magic but it

1001
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,559
goes down a whole other realm of this is

1002
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,000
just how things work it's not the

1003
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,720
paranormal it's not supernatural it's

1004
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,000
not quantum holographic theory it's

1005
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,679
this is just how it works but we still

1006
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,120
don't understand it and it's got a lot

1007
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,399
of different labels

1008
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,240
yeah absolutely a load of different

1009
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:10,079
labels is the right term you know all

1010
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,359
the religions seem to have a connection

1011
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,119
to the heavens which we think of as a

1012
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,440
you know space and meteors and et and

1013
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,760
all things like that um so we can

1014
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:20,000
interpret it in totally different ways

1015
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,440
and the

1016
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,720
at least

1017
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,079
the bible

1018
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,639
is an assembled book from many many many

1019
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,200
different writings so you know there's

1020
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,720
if you want to talk about control

1021
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,839
narratives there's one for you

1022
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,480
um and that

1023
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,159
you can explore the other books that

1024
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,599
aren't included and it does make you

1025
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,520
wonder what else it's in the vault but

1026
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,440
they kind of don't show you

1027
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,520
um

1028
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,280
but it always brings me back to things

1029
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,520
like the alicenian mysteries

1030
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,560
where

1031
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:50,960
basically the idea was that you would go

1032
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,240
to this place lucius and you would take

1033
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,079
a psychedel it can be shown the truth of

1034
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:57,920
the universe kind of thing

1035
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,280
um and they recently found out

1036
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
that actually the mysteries kind of oh

1037
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,200
the ceremony for the mystery spill out

1038
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,200
of ellucias and was actually done

1039
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,800
around the world in kind of you know

1040
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,000
basements and

1041
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,440
you know kind of like what's going on

1042
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,440
now where you've got a lot of sensors

1043
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,960
around the world setting up to give

1044
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:17,200
people ios going and give them

1045
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,800
mushrooms and you know psilocybin

1046
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,839
just to

1047
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,839
influence them and it kind of

1048
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,359
researchers are finding that it gives

1049
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,280
people really interesting experiences

1050
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
that are hard to

1051
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,640
say aren't real

1052
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,680
um

1053
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,240
and that it kind of

1054
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:37,040
i guess almost refreshes a filter um

1055
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,320
there's a lot going on where they use it

1056
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,359
to treat ptsd and things like that and

1057
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,000
it's kind of building towards what one

1058
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:45,680
of the researchers

1059
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,119
talks about as a trauma-free world

1060
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,040
which is very interesting because what

1061
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:54,320
what would we do as a species if none of

1062
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,550
interesting and if you want to dive in a

1063
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,800
little more about psychedelics and all

1064
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,880
that kind of stuff dmt mushrooms and

1065
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,880
other things check out our interview

1066
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,640
with dr andrew gallamore that was a

1067
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,800
couple of weeks ago now a few months ago

1068
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,240
as you listened to this but that was a

1069
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,640
really good one as well dan i'm going to

1070
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,560
kick on and

1071
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:19,920
this is one but where i first went

1072
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,200
ttsa had to pick between entertainment

1073
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,560
and science

1074
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,560
they chose entertainment because of

1075
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,920
covid okay this was in relation to why

1076
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,960
lou and chris melon left

1077
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,280
i don't necessarily go with that as as a

1078
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,280
legitimate explanation

1079
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,280
no they i mean there was a little bit

1080
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,720
more in the tom was saying that

1081
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,880
realistically they could never compete

1082
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,440
with people like lockheed and boeing and

1083
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,599
things like that which you know when

1084
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,040
they spoke about making the anti-gravity

1085
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,640
craft all of us kind of went wait a

1086
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,520
second do you have that much money um

1087
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,920
so i understand that point

1088
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,680
but

1089
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,880
you know there's been some two in and

1090
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:01,520
throwing uh but for me at least the

1091
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,040
relationship is good and it seems like

1092
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,640
the beatles broke up and having really

1093
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,480
great solo careers

1094
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,640
yes but

1095
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:12,320
when the beatles broke up and went their

1096
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,599
different ways

1097
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,760
some of them didn't stay together

1098
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,520
which is what i don't understand so why

1099
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:20,000
if ttsa chose entertainment like tom

1100
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,800
said

1101
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,960
as jim semivan still a part of the

1102
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,960
company because jim semivan is not an

1103
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,880
entertainer

1104
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,720
it's an interesting point and i think it

1105
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,280
comes back to that kind of cultural

1106
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,640
influence

1107
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,560
you know we've seen the impact stuff

1108
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,440
like the marvel movies have had

1109
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,960
over the past few years you know it's

1110
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,800
gone from something that was

1111
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,599
quite fun to things where we really

1112
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,160
heavily looked to them for things like

1113
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,560
guidance over racial issues and female

1114
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,920
empowerment and things like that you

1115
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,440
know they become vehicles to really

1116
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,359
influence the world and i think if you

1117
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,040
can see

1118
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,880
the influence they have you can kind of

1119
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:59,119
understand what tom is trying to achieve

1120
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,839
by

1121
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,560
focusing on storytelling

1122
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,720
he did say that he didn't want to

1123
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:06,960
that he when he was having meetings in

1124
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,680
hollywood that he was always careful to

1125
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,200
say to people like look we don't need to

1126
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,040
embellish this this is goddamn

1127
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,280
incredible anyway we don't need to be

1128
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,079
overly dramatic

1129
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,920
i right but he also said on the

1130
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,680
interview it was just a throwaway line

1131
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,160
that hal which would be help it off is

1132
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,160
also still involved with projects they

1133
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,599
have

1134
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,560
yeah um how i think it's the scientific

1135
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,880
advisory board but they're not really

1136
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,079
doing science right um but that's that's

1137
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,640
my point why why come out and say we had

1138
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,079
to choose between entertainment and

1139
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:41,200
science

1140
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,000
have

1141
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,320
a serious guy like jim semivan

1142
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,400
sitting there and then talk about a

1143
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:48,079
really well-known scientist like hal

1144
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,119
pittov

1145
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,870
he doesn't think it doesn't like it

1146
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,200
doesn't compute like i just you know

1147
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,119
reference the marvel movies and i know

1148
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,160
that shaun carroll uh uh you know proper

1149
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,000
legit did you put this physicist did you

1150
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,760
put a pound coin in the jar

1151
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,280
uh i don't have any pound coins but i

1152
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,760
won't know i will um

1153
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,079
and you know he was on set for end game

1154
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,160
and he advised the kind of the science

1155
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,720
rules and the multiverse rules so

1156
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,760
you know when people are watching the

1157
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,079
marvel stuff now

1158
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,320
they they kind of almost have a crash

1159
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,160
course in quantum mechanics if they can

1160
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,839
kind of get their head around

1161
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,520
you know the multiverse with loki and

1162
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,520
things like that um

1163
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,640
so

1164
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,359
if if the science can be accurate or as

1165
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,359
accurate as possible

1166
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,599
that can be a whole other level of kind

1167
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,400
of authenticity to the storytelling

1168
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,440
you know people love that about

1169
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,640
christopher nolan's films like

1170
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,320
interstellar and stuff like that because

1171
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,839
they they use

1172
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,400
real concepts um the other thing i've

1173
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,320
mentioned is that tom did say that the

1174
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,960
materials project is still ongoing so i

1175
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,800
wouldn't be surprised if hal's being

1176
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,480
kind of retained for that reason yeah

1177
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,760
hopefully it gives me a little bit of

1178
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,640
hope for ttsa uh that

1179
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,320
it's still something that's worth

1180
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,880
keeping an eye on yeah i'm interested in

1181
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,400
the movies that are the movie that's

1182
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,079
going to come out monsters in california

1183
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,240
is due in a couple of months i believe

1184
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,319
yeah hopefully or they're finishing

1185
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,560
filming at least um it's post-production

1186
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,760
just now is that right it is

1187
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:17,280
soundtracking

1188
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,319
okay

1189
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,119
soundtrack and pickups and effects

1190
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,880
yeah so that'll be an interesting watch

1191
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:23,680
and

1192
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,880
simavan provide some semblance of

1193
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,200
credibility to still to any scientific

1194
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,000
effort that's ongoing and seeing them on

1195
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,319
board is is good and it's nice to hear

1196
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,599
that they're still

1197
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,880
they still have that relationship with

1198
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:40,319
like louis elizondo chris merlin it

1199
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,119
wasn't

1200
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,040
awkward breakup or end of the marriage

1201
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,040
or anything like that so that that was

1202
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,119
kind of good to hear moving on from that

1203
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,359
jim semivan was asked kind of outright

1204
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,240
about um you know do they have any alien

1205
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,240
bodies do any governments worldwide have

1206
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,680
alien bodies jim semivan

1207
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,520
no he could have poo pooed it he just

1208
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,200
went straight in with the i'm not going

1209
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,599
to comment on that which that isn't him

1210
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,599
saying yes they do or i know where they

1211
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,560
are but that for me as a lead to

1212
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,400
there's stuff i could talk about but i

1213
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,800
can't and won't which is as interesting

1214
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,680
for me still yeah absolutely and and i

1215
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,040
mean we we know the same van those

1216
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,400
things that he can't talk about and he

1217
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,280
does allude to when he talks about the

1218
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,599
the uap report the preliminary one he

1219
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,760
does allude to the fact that he liked

1220
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,440
that there were pot shots at the air

1221
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,200
force in there because he knew why the

1222
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,240
air force wasn't collaborating but he

1223
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,319
didn't want to elaborate on it so

1224
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,960
there's definitely

1225
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,160
it's kind of one of those things though

1226
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,119
that

1227
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,560
it's almost like a choose your own

1228
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,079
adventure thing right

1229
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
they're the frustrating comments because

1230
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,280
to us that could mean something totally

1231
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,040
different to what mikwest reads into it

1232
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,520
right yep dan page 12 of choose your own

1233
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,359
adventure dan do any governments

1234
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,400
worldwide have an alien body

1235
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,400
no comment

1236
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,440
okay is that a yes

1237
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,160
no comment i'd be rubbish under an nba

1238
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,520
yeah

1239
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,440
you would break so easily but you could

1240
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,960
never do that kind of job i'm just

1241
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,240
excited for everyone to know about the

1242
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,000
subject so i just tell them gleefully

1243
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:13,520
yeah

1244
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,000
tom delong goes on to talk about meta

1245
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,440
materials a little bit that we've

1246
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,359
touched on um

1247
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,839
there is a comment made about these

1248
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,680
beings have been around for so long they

1249
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
wouldn't be interested in our dna or tom

1250
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,319
uses the example of what our spleen does

1251
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,079
for example you know

1252
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,680
so why are they mutilating cows because

1253
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,520
that cattle mutilations has brought up a

1254
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,319
few times in this so for me if uh it

1255
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,319
makes no sense that you know they know

1256
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
us they know our like literally they

1257
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,079
know us inside and out literally and

1258
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,640
figuratively then why are they taking a

1259
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
park house

1260
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,560
it's a very good question um tom

1261
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,000
mentioned something i've not heard

1262
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,839
mentioned before at this point where he

1263
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,680
speaks about whether they were looking

1264
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,400
at the food chain for some reason um he

1265
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
doesn't really elaborate on it but i

1266
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,599
thought it was an interesting comment

1267
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,040
i mean i get as a way of studying

1268
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,040
humanity you know they eat a lot of of

1269
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,200
meat and beef and okay so we're going to

1270
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,720
do this there's a whole other

1271
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,200
conversation you get the the missing the

1272
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,880
missing four

1273
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,280
what's the number four

1274
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,440
missing four one one is that oh yeah

1275
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,960
that's right yeah

1276
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,160
like i mean it's a whole other

1277
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,920
conversation a horrible topic to bring

1278
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,319
up people going missing and never having

1279
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,079
closure of a family member friend or

1280
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,560
relative or whatever it may be who who

1281
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960
does go missing and has never found but

1282
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:33,200
is there a potential there that some of

1283
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,079
these

1284
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,839
are abductions where people are not

1285
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,480
returned for whatever reason

1286
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,480
it would be horrible to think of but if

1287
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,480
they're mutilating cows then maybe

1288
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:43,599
that's just because they're having a

1289
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,200
look at the whole ecosystem and

1290
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,839
that's how it works um so that's an

1291
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,760
interesting notion potentially but it

1292
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
just doesn't make sense to me that they

1293
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,480
know us so well

1294
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
uh but they will still pick a cow up and

1295
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,440
remove its heart without any incisions

1296
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,920
and you know they'll they'll cut along a

1297
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,160
cell um a surgical what better than

1298
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,319
surgical precision uh and all that kind

1299
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,520
of stuff as well so that was an

1300
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,599
interesting one for me but

1301
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,000
cattle mutilations definitely seem

1302
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,240
from from anyone who comes out as an

1303
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,000
expert not people who are necessarily

1304
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,520
experts who have books to do with cattle

1305
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,760
mutilations but when you hear government

1306
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,400
insiders or people like tom delong who

1307
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,800
are sort of in the know to an extent

1308
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,240
they never seem to really give a good

1309
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,319
reason or seem to admit why cattle

1310
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,920
mutilations happen it seems one of those

1311
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,720
genuine mysteries

1312
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,240
around this point

1313
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
i got the impression because tom spoke

1314
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,000
about human history and how if you look

1315
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,520
at our developments it's kind of us

1316
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,800
digging through layers you know we had

1317
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,160
the surface world and we started looking

1318
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,680
at bacteria and then we went smaller to

1319
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,280
atoms and now it's a quantum and it's

1320
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:47,200
kind of us coming down and down and down

1321
00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:48,160
and

1322
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,580
he says that next is consciousness um

1323
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,839
[Music]

1324
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:53,760
and i i kind of

1325
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,119
took that as him suggesting that

1326
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,599
there there would be reasons

1327
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:02,319
for them taking the cows that we just

1328
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,550
it's a funny one and you know what it's

1329
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,160
given how long the podcast's been going

1330
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,000
now i i probably do need to have like a

1331
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,240
deep dive into the conversation but that

1332
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,680
that's something we'll have a little dig

1333
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,280
into because dan and i are at some point

1334
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,800
in the next few days going to be having

1335
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,960
a chat around future guests and stuff so

1336
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,200
um more and more of you when we give

1337
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,280
shout outs for suggestions or getting in

1338
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,960
touch which is great for this kind of

1339
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,520
stuff so if there are anyone from a

1340
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,880
guest point of view you want to hear

1341
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,280
from i mean you can tell me tom delong

1342
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,520
and chris mellon and bob lazar all you

1343
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,440
like don't think that i'm not trying to

1344
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,200
arrange those that that is absolutely it

1345
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:42,880
but if there's someone that you think

1346
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,760
doesn't get a lot of um attention or as

1347
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,040
much attention as they should then

1348
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,880
please give us a shout we're more than

1349
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,560
happy to talk to people that aren't

1350
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,560
necessarily big names that's that's not

1351
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,760
why we're in this we just want to hear

1352
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,280
some interesting points of view in

1353
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,359
conversation so so please can i drop us

1354
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,079
a message in any of the usual channels

1355
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,599
especially if anyone's listening and did

1356
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,280
any work on uh their hairstyle and

1357
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,079
lights we'd like to talk to you well dan

1358
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,000
would yeah no i i'd like that as well

1359
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
yeah um interesting comment was made

1360
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,240
about stuff being picked up by satellite

1361
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,599
again this is something where we've

1362
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,200
touched on before can we just go back

1363
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,640
just a little bit because there was

1364
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,520
another comment that uh we have to keep

1365
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,560
moving

1366
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,000
from one direction

1367
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:24,400
it was the body's question

1368
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,119
um

1369
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,119
and tom basically kind of

1370
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,319
he didn't say yes we have bodies he he

1371
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,599
said that

1372
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,240
the steps that he's seen happening now

1373
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,400
are the logical steps that might one day

1374
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,960
lead to hey we collected some stuff look

1375
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:41,440
at this yeah which i thought again

1376
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,480
really really interesting because he

1377
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,720
gets that no but instead he kind of said

1378
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,760
well if they did this is kind of how the

1379
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,920
process would look

1380
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,440
because it kind of got at the point of

1381
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,440
and when he says stuff what he means as

1382
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,280
potentially some crashed material

1383
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,079
potentially an intact craft

1384
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,560
body was literally about bodies so stuff

1385
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,000
i would take you know definitely in that

1386
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,560
context absolutely and the idea being

1387
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,560
that here he mentioned the context

1388
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,880
behind that that were you know several

1389
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,560
steps behind that sort of announcement

1390
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,160
or unveiling or disclosure with a

1391
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,319
capital d is because they might not

1392
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,640
understand what it is and it's like not

1393
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,319
a case of they wouldn't want to wheel

1394
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,680
out here as an unquote alien body

1395
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,839
because the questions would be where's

1396
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,160
it from why are they here where are they

1397
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,599
you know where are they now is there

1398
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,000
more of them are they dangerous is it

1399
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,680
potentially you know contaminated and

1400
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,200
they potentially couldn't answer any of

1401
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,839
those questions and

1402
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,960
can you remember us talking about the

1403
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,720
end of contact the book

1404
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,599
yes where i was saying the intro the

1405
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,800
ending was interesting because

1406
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,319
essentially what they said to the people

1407
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,160
who'd gone to this other dimension or to

1408
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:50,000
another place in space they said look we

1409
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,200
don't have any evidence for what you

1410
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,720
experienced but we believe that you

1411
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,119
experienced it don't go do a press

1412
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,359
conference now because we can't answer

1413
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,839
anything and we can't prove it but if

1414
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,160
you will quietly fund your research and

1415
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,079
then when you're ready to unveil we will

1416
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,480
stand by you

1417
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,559
and that's a really

1418
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,319
it's about the most wholesome place a

1419
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,240
conspiracy could start you know it might

1420
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,520
have transformed over the years as it

1421
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,720
kind of got passed along and people

1422
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,240
didn't really appreciate that beginning

1423
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,839
point was always to say look let's just

1424
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,680
take our time and we'll be clear when we

1425
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,960
can be clear

1426
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,000
um

1427
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,599
but now you know the military industrial

1428
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,520
complex comes in and complicates that in

1429
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,520
a in a very big way

1430
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,400
yeah um i like jim simovan being being

1431
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,240
really honest and i know some people

1432
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,839
definitely won't like this i don't

1433
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,559
necessarily totally subscribe to it but

1434
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,800
i get the feeling that i lean more

1435
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,720
towards what jim was saying than not

1436
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,760
that the the government isn't all

1437
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:46,160
powerful or as secretive

1438
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,960
as

1439
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,920
some would make out from a totally

1440
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,240
far extreme conspiracy point of view you

1441
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,079
know when the psyop stuff was mentioned

1442
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,680
i won't go into detail on that we talked

1443
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,160
about that beforehand dan um for reasons

1444
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,549
it's illegal and there are still

1445
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:04,800
elements of things that the government

1446
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,839
especially now don't get involved in and

1447
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:10,559
he was quite offended almost at the idea

1448
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,160
of all of these different psyops and his

1449
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,000
thing was no we couldn't do that the

1450
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,599
governments don't do that there are

1451
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,599
still some good people and the cia the

1452
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,839
fbi the nsa the dod

1453
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,440
and we're just talking american here but

1454
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,520
even make that british italian russian

1455
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,599
french chinese whatever there are still

1456
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,359
people doing jobs just at different

1457
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,599
levels i don't doubt there's level those

1458
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,839
levels of politics and levels of secrecy

1459
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,839
and at times potentially some

1460
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:37,599
underhanded tactics

1461
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,160
but again it's the idea of that

1462
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,520
compartmentalization as well that

1463
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,760
the government you know what as the

1464
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,280
government it's the government is not

1465
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
just a couple of people in a shadowy

1466
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,319
room and i think that's what i think

1467
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,680
that's what people tend to mean when

1468
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,200
they say the government isn't it it's

1469
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,880
not the president and those beneath them

1470
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,359
it's yeah the secret cabal that meet up

1471
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,680
with kind of top ranking general and the

1472
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,359
guy who's got the

1473
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,040
the cabinet behind him with all the real

1474
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,680
ufo files and the kind of small group

1475
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,520
for the shadowy figure with a smoking

1476
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,520
man in the corner and

1477
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,240
maybe that happens maybe it doesn't

1478
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,760
and you could kind of see him like that

1479
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,800
there are still people in his

1480
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,960
organizations that that do a lot of good

1481
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,280
work as well um

1482
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,119
tom de long mentioned he doesn't think

1483
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,960
it's stuff coming from deep space he

1484
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,520
mentions oceans mentions areas around

1485
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,440
the planet that should be looked at and

1486
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,839
studied maybe not necessarily so far in

1487
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,760
outer space and again we mentioned this

1488
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,200
earlier just bringing it back to when it

1489
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,119
was towards the end of the interview

1490
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,640
that potentially these objects

1491
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,440
materialize uh around the planet and we

1492
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:39,040
did touch on that already anything you

1493
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,670
only i guess you know as tom founder

1494
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,359
just maybe it's not a little bit when he

1495
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,960
said no it's in utah it's just the

1496
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,520
future like i know it's a joke but it's

1497
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,640
my next year we're linked man we're like

1498
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:56,240
mind-melding we've been doing this a

1499
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,280
long time

1500
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,520
can you think of what one word i put as

1501
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,079
my note for that go on

1502
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,599
well i'll ask you to guess because i've

1503
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,920
got tom de long brackets it's in utah

1504
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,760
just in the future and then i've made

1505
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,680
one word of a note in a question mark

1506
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,760
mankind's ah

1507
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,520
bin look at that yeah

1508
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,480
so yes i've just put mankind's and is

1509
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,920
that the reference to because we

1510
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,440
submitted some questions for this and

1511
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,400
they didn't read out many if any um

1512
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,680
and and that's what i wanted to know

1513
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,040
straight off the bat is you know what's

1514
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,960
tom's idea of what lewis said about

1515
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,880
mankind's tom's a lot more loose left

1516
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,200
than uh than others so well the great

1517
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,119
thing is that and i'm kind of pulling

1518
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,640
the end of the interview just forward a

1519
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,200
little bit just so people don't lose

1520
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,880
hope that

1521
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,119
tom someone suggested doing a part two

1522
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,440
and tom basically said you know if we do

1523
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,520
a part two i suggest that we dig into

1524
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,359
something more about what the phenomena

1525
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,200
is about and what it's actually doing

1526
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,800
and they all completely agreed to do

1527
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:53,359
that um which i'm really excited for

1528
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,640
it's almost like yeah let's just

1529
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,880
speculate amongst you know a scientist

1530
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:57,920
someone that's been talking to

1531
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,400
government officials someone it's gonna

1532
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,640
be really really

1533
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,720
maybe fun is the wrong word because this

1534
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,599
is a

1535
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,160
very serious subject but

1536
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,079
you know it's it's something that i'm

1537
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,839
very excited about

1538
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,680
yeah and and that was pretty much

1539
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,200
nearing the end of the interview the

1540
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,240
last kind of parts where um jim simavan

1541
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,839
spoke to scientists and we've touched on

1542
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,200
this a little bit who said the

1543
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,240
phenomenon answer or mystery

1544
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:26,400
lay between consciousness and quantum

1545
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,160
mechanics and somewhere in in that space

1546
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,480
as as kind of what's going on

1547
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,839
but it's stuff that we've probably

1548
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,160
touched on as a civilization and our

1549
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,480
best minds and brains and thinkers do

1550
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,640
you know what th our best minds and

1551
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,319
brains probably aren't even on this yet

1552
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,160
which is part of the problem yeah which

1553
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,599
is why you're working are so far behind

1554
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,960
it and it's it's great the people who

1555
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,359
are like jack valley and hal pitov and

1556
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,599
eric davis and those kind of guys that

1557
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,599
if bubbles are worked on it great thanks

1558
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,240
bob lazar for your efforts and whatnot

1559
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,720
but our very best minds probably still

1560
00:53:01,430 --> 00:53:00,079
aren't on this and that's who we need to

1561
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,440
get involved

1562
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,000
to kind of work it out um and speaking

1563
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,680
of the very best minds that one of the

1564
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,280
last names that was brought up was dr

1565
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,280
steven greer um because the final

1566
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,960
question asked was about ce5 by cut and

1567
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,200
he jim semivan i thought gave an

1568
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,960
interesting answer where

1569
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,599
he credited steven greer's early work

1570
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,359
and he made a point of saying that you

1571
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:23,119
know i appreciate the work he done early

1572
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,160
on

1573
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:26,400
and i think that says all about where

1574
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,000
things went um tom's answer was again it

1575
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,720
was typically tommed along where he just

1576
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,720
said that

1577
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,400
it's something that needs to be studied

1578
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,079
scientifically

1579
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,200
as in we don't fully understand it yet

1580
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,920
and maybe it's a product that obviously

1581
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,520
we know as a product that stephen gray's

1582
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,760
released and you know human initiated

1583
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,000
contact will you know as james ian dolly

1584
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,760
would potentially refer to it as if not

1585
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,599
ce5

1586
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,880
as something that is maybe not

1587
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,040
necessarily totally understood yet well

1588
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,480
of course it's not i mean just think

1589
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,359
about what we're talking about um

1590
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,359
but it's been packaged and put out there

1591
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,680
as you can pay this to learn how to do

1592
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,800
this

1593
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,800
and like tom's can i mention there maybe

1594
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,640
there's something in it but we really

1595
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,720
need to be studying it scientifically

1596
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,720
and the people who would want to do that

1597
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,559
again those best minds

1598
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:18,079
were not yet there yet in that

1599
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,359
conversation

1600
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,720
yeah absolutely

1601
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,880
his answer was great though where he

1602
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,559
talked about he he mentioned something

1603
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,920
about the progression of humanity and

1604
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:28,079
how we won't be happy forever with just

1605
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,359
looking at radio waves it's going to

1606
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,960
extend beyond that we'll be looking at

1607
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,040
consciousness and he said

1608
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,400
when you start thinking about things

1609
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,400
like that

1610
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,000
what would be louder than a group of

1611
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,480
people intensely focusing or thinking if

1612
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,960
you could pick up people focusing on

1613
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,799
thinking they would be the brightest

1614
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,599
sparks in a dark place you know

1615
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,760
so it makes sense you can follow a kind

1616
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,680
of logic to it

1617
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,599
absolutely so do you know what really

1618
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,520
good interview i enjoyed it yeah it's

1619
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,520
worth the hour and 24 minutes of your

1620
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,119
time um

1621
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,040
it's really the one everyone's been

1622
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,880
waiting for from tom i think and i'm

1623
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,480
looking forward to part two

1624
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,400
yeah it left me definitely wanting more

1625
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,559
but i i i've not seen too many people

1626
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,920
say this but i've seen a few people say

1627
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,760
they were disappointed or it never give

1628
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,440
us gave us any new information and

1629
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,640
that's that's not correct if you've

1630
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,280
watched it in that sense so hopefully um

1631
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,280
you've listened to this go and watch it

1632
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,520
um i've retweeted the link several times

1633
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,559
and in all sorts it's available on

1634
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,000
let me just get the name of it

1635
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,839
completely correct into the impossible

1636
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,680
with brian keating it's available on

1637
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,000
youtube go and check it out it's worth

1638
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,880
your 84 minutes so yeah hopefully you've

1639
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:36,880
enjoyed this breakdown as well

1640
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,839
moving on uh bob fish is a name that was

1641
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,920
brought up by ross kiltart and in

1642
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,720
several of his interviews and he was

1643
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,319
someone who was involved in the john

1644
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,440
podesta

1645
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,599
wikileaks not wikileaks no was wikileaks

1646
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,559
yeah yeah

1647
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,079
yeah some of the emails that came out as

1648
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,760
a name who was going back and forward

1649
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,319
with you know the clintons and and tom

1650
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,079
delong back in the day was involved in

1651
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,960
all that as well as to discussing the

1652
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:02,400
the ufo issue

1653
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,200
and

1654
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,359
basically ross coltar has said he has a

1655
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,119
name that is not out there enough that

1656
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:09,040
people are trying to contact

1657
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,000
um

1658
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,240
i was saving this for when i spoke to

1659
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,680
ross but that's now been moved back to

1660
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,960
september

1661
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,280
i did reach out to bob fish straight

1662
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,720
away as soon as i heard ross mentioned

1663
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,640
this in one of his interviews and and

1664
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,400
bob was very gracious to respond to me

1665
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,319
with quite a comprehensive uh a couple

1666
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,720
of emails actually and i asked him if i

1667
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,520
could use what he said as a quote so

1668
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,880
i've got it's going to take a minute or

1669
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,799
so but i'm going to read out everything

1670
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,720
that he he said to me because of some

1671
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,559
really interesting stuff in there as

1672
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,040
well and i did ask dan this beforehand

1673
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,480
if i thought i should read it out i just

1674
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,839
read bits of it

1675
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,760
and dan definitely said yeah go for the

1676
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,760
whole thing um i knew this was coming so

1677
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,359
i was sure to mention the radio waves

1678
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,040
thing and i just

1679
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,960
kind of mentioned to people to keep keep

1680
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,119
an ear out for

1681
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,119
lines about the spectrum

1682
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,880
yeah so given what we've just heard in

1683
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,640
the interview last night and we've heard

1684
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,040
in other interviews passed in previous

1685
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,720
here was bob fish's thoughts that he

1686
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,160
emailed me over a couple of weeks ago

1687
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,079
and again i'll dig into this with uh

1688
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,400
ross coldheart

1689
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,319
i'm not very interested in expanding my

1690
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,480
footprint in the ufo community

1691
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,880
ufos are an intellectually interesting

1692
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,520
phenomenon to me but not one i want to

1693
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,000
dive deeply into because of some flaky

1694
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,720
history in the past probably due to us

1695
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,760
government and maybe religious

1696
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,440
the thing i was trying to do had to do

1697
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,520
with john podesta possibly opening up

1698
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,359
the ufo files if he was white house

1699
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,640
chief of staff

1700
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,400
i was simply responding to that

1701
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,799
initiative telling him where to look for

1702
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,880
the empirical stuff since everyone has

1703
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,559
seen the bloody shots of some bright

1704
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,559
object in the sky or heard about the

1705
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,799
silent triangle of lights zooming in the

1706
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,040
night sky etc this is like doing an

1707
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,559
audio book you know that you know he

1708
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,760
never said that i'm just adding that

1709
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:51,040
button

1710
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,640
one would have to be really clueless to

1711
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,640
not think our military and intelligence

1712
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,079
agencies have been collecting

1713
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,280
information since at least 1947 and i'd

1714
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,440
argue the foo fighters of world war ii

1715
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,280
even pushed that back a bit

1716
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,720
quick shout out to graeme rendell and

1717
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,280
his upcoming book on just that subject

1718
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,040
it seems that now some portions of the

1719
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,640
us government are willing to drag out

1720
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,880
their radar intercept tapes and uap

1721
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,640
incident communications

1722
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,640
perhaps others will soon put forth

1723
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,880
additional empirical information about

1724
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,520
tracking or monitoring even or even

1725
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,040
interfering with strange flying

1726
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,040
phenomena

1727
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:27,040
so i'm willing to wait and see on this

1728
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,559
someday soon we should be able to

1729
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,480
cross-reference information from a human

1730
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,280
sighting with an airspace radar scan or

1731
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,599
safe space acoustic scan and a high

1732
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,680
resolution image whether visual or

1733
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,280
multi-spectral

1734
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,040
more importantly are the concepts that

1735
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,359
dr edgar mitchell came out with

1736
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,280
we keep talking about aliens and

1737
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,040
inverted commas as being from another

1738
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,280
planet or galaxy like they live far far

1739
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,520
away well maybe they are simply from a

1740
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,160
different universe that also utilizes

1741
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,599
earth as a home

1742
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,920
if so maybe they are more like ancestors

1743
00:59:02,789 --> 00:58:59,760
whose cultural or whose culture has

1744
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,799
evolved beyond ours at this time

1745
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,119
or maybe a combo of faraway visitors

1746
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,079
with nearby non-human earthlings

1747
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,920
i mean does anyone really think these

1748
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,720
little 30 feet saucers flew 450 light

1749
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,520
years to get here if so then i guess i

1750
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,160
guess the earth is flat too a

1751
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:20,160
as we move forward with string theory

1752
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,200
dna analysis gene splicing and

1753
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,760
artificial intelligence we may make some

1754
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,760
interesting discoveries about the life

1755
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,720
that inhibits the earth hopefully mufon

1756
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,480
or somebody will get that act together

1757
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:33,920
and start working on this from a

1758
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,559
critical thinking perspective and large

1759
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,040
data fusion project but that is another

1760
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,040
story thanks edgar

1761
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,799
i'll take a pause for breath there

1762
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,640
because that was the first email and

1763
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,799
i've got a second interesting follow-up

1764
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,720
as well dan and i show thoughts on that

1765
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,559
response it's a huge response

1766
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,760
considering

1767
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,839
that he doesn't want a bigger footprint

1768
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,079
um a lot of it vibes with what was said

1769
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,000
in the interview with tom and jim which

1770
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,559
is what i found most startling um

1771
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,440
you know there are all these little

1772
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,960
synchronicities there

1773
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,559
um

1774
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,640
and yeah it's just a very startling

1775
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,280
email a lot of it's very matter of fact

1776
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:11,040
uh when i just didn't expect that from

1777
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,240
bob

1778
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,720
yeah like i say i i did ask him

1779
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,480
when he said that massive response i

1780
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,240
didn't ask for that and he gave that

1781
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,559
willingly which was great and i said if

1782
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,240
he ever changed his mind you know i

1783
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,240
would love to host him on the podcast

1784
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:26,160
and i'd love to hear him on any podcast

1785
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,359
yeah i'm not

1786
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,880
you know professionally jealous that if

1787
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,720
he chose to go on some other you know

1788
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,400
bigger platform that that would be great

1789
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,599
but i would love to speak to him just

1790
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,000
given the the breadth of the answer he

1791
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,079
then followed up again i didn't ask for

1792
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,559
this he gave me some more information

1793
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,480
i did mention to others about when we

1794
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,400
cross-connected edgar mitchell with the

1795
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:46,720
irva which is the international remote

1796
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,599
viewers association in 2001 at their

1797
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,119
annual conference

1798
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,880
this is the remote viewers organization

1799
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,280
that grew out of project stargate my

1800
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,200
first meeting with edgar was literally

1801
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,920
in an isolation chamber aka the apollo

1802
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,319
14 mobile quarantine facility in march

1803
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,400
2001. it was a pretty amazing

1804
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,839
conversation

1805
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,359
i don't know if you've had any contact

1806
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,319
with irva but they have had a very few

1807
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,880
or a few very interesting contact cases

1808
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,880
that helped edgar have a better grasp on

1809
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,440
the brackets alien thing

1810
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,200
the second generation remote viewers

1811
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,359
after pat price ingo swan russell target

1812
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,680
etc who paved the way still get together

1813
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,200
once a year

1814
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,799
the hardest part of going down the

1815
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,799
quantum hologram path

1816
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,040
interesting interesting uh use of words

1817
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:33,520
there and double underline that

1818
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,400
yep

1819
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,920
the hardest part of going down the

1820
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,079
quantum hologram path is understanding

1821
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,000
there is no such thing as time and it

1822
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,680
helps to understand there is a much

1823
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,160
broader electromagnetic spectrum than

1824
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:46,799
what we humans can measure and monitor

1825
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,599
once someone grocks that the universe

1826
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:51,760
opens up quite a bit there is much that

1827
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,640
our eyes can't see and ears can't hear

1828
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,440
but our mind can view if not interact

1829
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,160
with i found that really interesting um

1830
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,599
for reference

1831
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,440
for christians it's like saying that the

1832
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,359
true question to ask for becoming nearer

1833
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,000
to god is not where can he be found

1834
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:10,640
that's already been answered everywhere

1835
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,760
which is to say for oneself here

1836
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,319
the real question to ask is when is god

1837
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,839
and the answer eventually becomes

1838
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,760
obvious no

1839
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,760
there is a vast living universe or set

1840
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,240
of universes swirling all around us but

1841
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,000
we humans tend to narrowly focus our

1842
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,599
mind on rushing to our next meeting in

1843
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,000
10 minutes hoping we get a few likes on

1844
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,240
our next social media post pondering the

1845
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,319
calorie intake of the food we're eating

1846
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,400
or worrying about the pandemic

1847
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:38,000
it's like we're trying to make digital

1848
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,520
copies of ourselves

1849
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,799
avatars

1850
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,640
rather than expand our consciousness to

1851
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,200
a higher capability and yes this

1852
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,839
absolutely has a lot to do with ufos and

1853
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,520
aliens

1854
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,520
so again

1855
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,319
yeah for a guy who who isn't up for

1856
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,079
getting involved or dipping his toe back

1857
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,720
into the ufo community i would ask him

1858
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,640
again to to please

1859
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,559
uh put yourself out there on on

1860
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,359
someone's show or podcast or or give

1861
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:06,960
someone some of your time because that's

1862
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,000
a fascinating response to a question i

1863
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,440
didn't even begin to ask absolutely to

1864
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,839
for someone to say you know essentially

1865
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:18,480
stop building tools and start

1866
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,440
shoving ayahuasca into your face um

1867
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,960
that's

1868
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,640
i'd love to talk to him

1869
01:03:27,350 --> 01:03:25,920
you know dan it's one of my favorite

1870
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,360
interviews that never even happened

1871
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:29,119
[Laughter]

1872
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,480
so um

1873
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:33,200
thanks to bob i i'm not ego

1874
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,799
maniacal enough to think he's listening

1875
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,119
to this but um public thank you for for

1876
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,039
giving that information and again he

1877
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,960
gave permission to share that as well

1878
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,640
and hopefully in the future we can get

1879
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,400
to speak to bob as much of what he

1880
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,160
shared there um from a really

1881
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,079
interesting place is what was in that

1882
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,400
interview last night and uh ross

1883
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,480
coulthart is someone who many people are

1884
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:54,160
putting a lot of eggs in his basket at

1885
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:55,119
the moment

1886
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,480
and we will be speaking to him around

1887
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,200
three or four weeks uh he he vouches for

1888
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,280
bob fish in a huge way as well so he

1889
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,359
does and and i'd really really recommend

1890
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,839
people read ross's book um i think i

1891
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,119
think i've got about a half hour left at

1892
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,880
the audiobook but it's really fantastic

1893
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,119
he's been very thorough he hasn't just

1894
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:13,119
taken people's words for things he's

1895
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,240
gone

1896
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,000
you know over and above where he he

1897
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,000
needs to to produce a book like he's

1898
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,839
he's done um

1899
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,000
so it's something that i feel people

1900
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,480
should invest time into reading

1901
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:26,799
absolutely so some really interesting

1902
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:29,839
stuff i did put out onto twitter to ask

1903
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,240
people's thoughts on the

1904
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,079
the interview from last night

1905
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:36,480
and uh i'll share some of those with you

1906
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,200
now

1907
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:38,880
craig who's one of the he was actually

1908
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:41,119
the original patron of the show so

1909
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,559
thanks to craig who's stuck around all

1910
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,799
this time um they needed to do this

1911
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,880
interview a year ago tom is learning

1912
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:48,880
from jim how to sell this better but is

1913
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,039
it too late i guess we found out with

1914
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:53,280
the september sec report

1915
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,549
uh really interesting um

1916
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,480
every year whenever those sec reports

1917
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:02,400
are filed it tends to bring you know

1918
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,440
slight little revelations in kind of

1919
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,760
what their plans are so i'm always eager

1920
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,760
to see those i think it'll clear up a

1921
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,760
lot of what people are asking about the

1922
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,760
future of ttsa

1923
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,000
yeah joe commented that the interview

1924
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,760
felt a little late on details it was

1925
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,680
fairly introductory for an audience new

1926
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,760
to ufology the questions could have been

1927
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,839
more probing with better informed hosts

1928
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,000
but at least ttsa is getting a broader

1929
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,079
and more scientific audience do you know

1930
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,160
what i get that that but again it's not

1931
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:31,920
a ufo podcast there's stuff in there

1932
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,079
that i wouldn't have asked

1933
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:36,720
rightly or wrongly because i come from a

1934
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,480
biased of

1935
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,160
not everyone

1936
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,520
knows everything and this is something i

1937
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,119
think i had to learn as an interviewer

1938
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,720
um early on where some of the feedback

1939
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,520
was

1940
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,280
i would have liked the more basic

1941
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,440
questions to kick off with and i know

1942
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,799
those people listen to this that have an

1943
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,480
incredible knowledge far better than my

1944
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,960
own and i'm lucky to speak to the guests

1945
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,880
and for a time i was just asking

1946
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,559
questions for that audience but then you

1947
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,039
realize there are a whole host of people

1948
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,440
new to the subject or not familiar with

1949
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,680
a certain guest and you have to cater to

1950
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,280
everyone so i i thought they done quite

1951
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,440
a good job of of what they asked and

1952
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,599
maybe for me what lacked but we might

1953
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,400
get in further follow-ups is a little

1954
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:15,920
bit more probing into some of the

1955
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,799
answers that were given yeah and and

1956
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,559
it's it's a good point you make actually

1957
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,280
that that audience isn't necessarily us

1958
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,200
it's not the ufo community as much as we

1959
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,400
were there and we were excited we were

1960
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:28,160
all screaming captain mccaslin in the

1961
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,520
chat and that question never came

1962
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,880
because it's a fairly

1963
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,039
you know you need to be fairly dug into

1964
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:35,119
the subject to understand the whole

1965
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:36,799
wikileaks thing and the general mccaslin

1966
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,400
connection um but when you look at that

1967
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,720
video as an introduction video for

1968
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,240
people there are some concepts in there

1969
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,920
that i didn't come across for you know

1970
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,039
years and years and years into

1971
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,039
researching the phenomena so

1972
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,640
it's one of those little breadcrumbs

1973
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,039
that is gonna cause so many people to go

1974
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,640
off on their own past and start looking

1975
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,319
at these ideas and it's a science

1976
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,480
channel so you know as xavi said they

1977
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,480
are the scientists this is who we want

1978
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,160
getting these ideas

1979
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,480
and you know what if you get a chance uh

1980
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,160
to watch this and please do go and go

1981
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,079
and watch the interview back on youtube

1982
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,799
you can see the chat at the side

1983
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,200
at the same time and there's loads of

1984
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,200
the the usual names and facey and not

1985
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,520
faces because it's a chat is text but

1986
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,280
you'll see the avatars in there and the

1987
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,200
comments and there's lots of people with

1988
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,720
an interest in the subject who are

1989
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,720
involved dan was in there and gaucho and

1990
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,160
all those guys as well

1991
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,400
but there are other people who obviously

1992
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,880
aren't interest in the ufo subject and

1993
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,799
you do get the comments of it must be a

1994
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,799
slow news week having these guys on

1995
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,480
because they don't know who they are

1996
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:38,640
necessarily or they don't care and they

1997
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,839
see ufo chat as being beneath them so

1998
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:43,680
fair play and kudos to them having that

1999
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,400
conversation that sometimes they have

2000
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,440
introduced guests to a new audience

2001
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:51,680
that's not just for ufos and people can

2002
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,039
forget that sometimes that it's not just

2003
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,720
for you i think it's a very intimate

2004
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,960
medium um

2005
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,200
podcasting in an audio form for me is

2006
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,880
the purest because you're literally

2007
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,039
talking to that person like right now i

2008
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,799
am the voice inside your head sorry to

2009
01:08:10,020 --> 01:08:08,480
freak you out okay and dan is there as

2010
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:10,030
well

2011
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,799
[Music]

2012
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,160
all of that stuff you could be listening

2013
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:15,920
to this in a thousand years time say hi

2014
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,319
to the aliens for me right

2015
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,400
it really is but

2016
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,560
we're talking to you and this is for you

2017
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,799
you're not watching as part of a crowd

2018
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,960
youtube you have the chat function but

2019
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:29,120
again it's generally just you sitting

2020
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:30,239
watching it

2021
01:08:31,889 --> 01:08:31,040
so

2022
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,899
if you're watching

2023
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,120
[Music]

2024
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,679
tom and jim semivan from a place of

2025
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,799
knowing who they are and their

2026
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,400
background in context

2027
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,759
you're watching the same interview as

2028
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,759
someone brand new to this subject who

2029
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,679
has no idea who they are but you're

2030
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,359
absorbing the content in two very

2031
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,880
different ways

2032
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,199
so that's that's for me what's got to be

2033
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,880
considered as well and it's the same

2034
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,799
like i said with an audio format where

2035
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:55,040
you're ingesting what from the interview

2036
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:56,719
is what you want so

2037
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,199
fair play again to to kurt for being a

2038
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:01,279
part of that and also brian for hosting

2039
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,400
that

2040
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,600
um tom not tommed along but tom washer

2041
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,120
he thought um

2042
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,880
thoughts on how dismissive they were of

2043
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,440
the concept of reaching out or ce5 i

2044
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,799
know they're feeling seemed influenced

2045
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,239
by their opinion of grier but they also

2046
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,839
made it seem like this was a bridge too

2047
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:18,000
far i think i suppose from their point

2048
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,440
of view it's uh

2049
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:21,279
they're trying to have the tom talked

2050
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,199
about the steps that we need to take to

2051
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:26,080
get to where we want and it's a big jump

2052
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,960
to go

2053
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,640
are they from here are they from

2054
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,120
elsewhere do we have bodies you know

2055
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,520
what's the science or physics involved

2056
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,960
yeah you know you can contact them if

2057
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,799
you just do some meditating and and

2058
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,000
reach out and have this really

2059
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,600
incredible experience

2060
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,159
quite frankly it sounds bad [\h__\h] to

2061
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,759
someone who isn't

2062
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,120
first in the subject that's all it

2063
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,880
sounds you you just look crazy and it's

2064
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,040
a really good example of how you can try

2065
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,560
and have a conversation with the best

2066
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:52,560
intentions and the best knowledge base

2067
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:55,760
but you just get dismissed we need data

2068
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,600
that's how we go oh ce5 works or you

2069
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:00,880
know it'll be a different term when we

2070
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,440
eventually get to that point um

2071
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,520
but we need we just need data

2072
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,600
dan in the same way that 40 years ago

2073
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:09,120
the iphone would have sounded crazy to

2074
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,400
steve jobs

2075
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,520
but he needed data and yeah it spawned

2076
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,000
the eventual iphone but it's what are

2077
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,560
the products or the concepts or ideas

2078
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,719
that need to be understood before we get

2079
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,040
to that you can go back on you know you

2080
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,640
can go on youtube and look at you know

2081
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,520
the carousel of the future in disney and

2082
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:29,280
the world's fairs and see what they were

2083
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,719
doing and what they thought the future

2084
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,159
would look like and it's always really

2085
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,360
interesting to go look at those things

2086
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,880
because some things they get so wrong

2087
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,199
but some things they were you know so

2088
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,280
pressy and on um

2089
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,600
and if it wasn't for those people

2090
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,760
dreaming up these concepts

2091
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,360
no one would have ever tried to tackle

2092
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,960
them it needs to be an idea before it

2093
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,800
becomes a reality

2094
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:49,679
yeah

2095
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,719
um carl i guess you can't say carl in a

2096
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:55,120
scottish accent that's c-a-r-l it just

2097
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,640
sounds exactly the same as carol and

2098
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:58,560
carl

2099
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,080
tom's suggestion that the others are

2100
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,320
creating time displacement bubbles tom's

2101
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,600
suggestion was that the others

2102
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,679
experience time differently and access

2103
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,000
our reality through it the others aren't

2104
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,920
coming from outer space well there could

2105
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,159
be aliens here what ttsa seems to know

2106
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:16,640
about is as localized to earth but not

2107
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,120
necessarily the same dimension as ours i

2108
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,800
think we covered that pretty pretty well

2109
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,640
and and carl's kind of took from what we

2110
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,560
did in that respect yeah for sure and

2111
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,159
i'll just i'll just throw in my cat

2112
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,560
point theory again here that the you

2113
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:30,000
know the the cap point is never

2114
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,600
broadcast from the nimitz it's a

2115
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,120
pre-agreed upon point and then over the

2116
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,040
radio they just say go to your cap point

2117
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,199
and as we all know the tic tac went to

2118
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,400
the cap point before and they they went

2119
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,440
there and it shouldn't have known um but

2120
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,360
to me

2121
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,440
there's an interesting kind of idea that

2122
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,920
if they kind of see time as a smudge and

2123
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,840
you know it's like a long exposure that

2124
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:53,280
they would have seen that line extending

2125
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:54,480
from fraver's plane all the way to the

2126
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,600
cap point and could have just followed

2127
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:57,040
it and said hey you know look this is

2128
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,239
what we're doing

2129
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,080
and it could have been a demonstration

2130
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,920
of how they see the universe same as

2131
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,159
stopping nuclear missiles at one second

2132
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:05,840
it's never dangerous to them it's just

2133
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,960
how they see the universe and they're

2134
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,400
trying to demonstrate and we keep

2135
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:10,239
thinking about weapons

2136
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,040
yeah

2137
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,800
but was the idea again because i know

2138
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,000
some people may be listening to this

2139
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,159
going no dan that's wrong it's an idea

2140
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:17,600
yes

2141
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,080
to do with the cap point it was used

2142
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:22,640
already during that exercise

2143
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,400
before they had the tic tac encounter so

2144
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,480
it could have been an observation yeah

2145
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,040
rather than uh something that they knew

2146
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,880
or picked up or seen broadcast they

2147
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,560
literally could have seen that was an

2148
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,480
area being used so just for those of you

2149
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,560
shouting it down and and it you make a

2150
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:40,159
good point actually because even though

2151
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,600
we speculate

2152
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,840
it's me speculating it really is an idea

2153
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,679
this isn't like tom i am being in a room

2154
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,120
with all of these officials that have

2155
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,440
all this secret information

2156
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,719
i'm just trying to put two and two

2157
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,159
together and come up with ideas like the

2158
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:54,159
rest of you guys and they could be wrong

2159
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,520
and it's okay to be wrong because

2160
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,440
sometimes we just don't know

2161
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,360
and if dan's wrong anymore he'll be

2162
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:00,640
getting replaced

2163
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,440
so

2164
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,520
um nick he said it was equally and

2165
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,840
equally interesting and frustrating i

2166
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,520
appreciate the update on the reasons for

2167
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,760
chris and lou parting with ttsa but

2168
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,840
because tom's been read into top secret

2169
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,920
he can't really discuss much either but

2170
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,760
he did a good job hunting at things and

2171
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,840
talking around the specifics you just

2172
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:19,199
wonder if most of the important

2173
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,560
information will always remain

2174
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,640
classified but i thought the whole idea

2175
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,719
is tom's not been read into top secret

2176
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,400
and that he's just

2177
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:28,560
being around people who have

2178
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,920
i mean i don't doubt there's stuff he

2179
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,679
knows but it seems to me very much like

2180
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,080
he he's probably been talked to and

2181
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,800
analogies and yeah pieces

2182
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:39,040
together himself yeah um

2183
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,480
maybe he does know a couple of bits and

2184
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,400
pieces he technically shouldn't that

2185
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,760
would be down to the individuals who

2186
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,320
discuss with them what they have um but

2187
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,520
yeah good shout um gerald he said that

2188
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,760
he hadn't watched it and doesn't have to

2189
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,600
because we are going to break it down

2190
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,760
and look forward to our thoughts so i

2191
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,920
hope he's enjoyed that yeah and todd had

2192
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,600
asked um yeah i told you that's where

2193
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,960
you can find the interview and i've also

2194
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,280
retweeted that as well so thanks just to

2195
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,800
finish up folks on this one i hope

2196
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,960
you've enjoyed us breaking this down uh

2197
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,800
on the discord chat that you get access

2198
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,400
to as being part of patreon or if you're

2199
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,400
on the apple podcast uh premium

2200
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,640
subscription uh give me a shout and we

2201
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,640
can share the link with you there was a

2202
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,239
question being asked on the chat that

2203
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:19,760
had a lot of discussion and i'm going to

2204
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,960
ask it to dan

2205
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,520
uh dan on a scale of one to ten with no

2206
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,600
comment being not being an option

2207
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,520
how much does lou elizondo know about

2208
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:29,520
the phenomenon that he hasn't already

2209
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,880
discussed due to ndas etc i will say

2210
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,960
that in the chat the average number

2211
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,040
seemed to be about a seven that most

2212
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,640
people were quite confident there's

2213
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,640
quite a lot he hasn't discussed due to

2214
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,719
nda's

2215
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,480
this is hard to answer

2216
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,880
it's not one two three four five six

2217
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,120
seven eight nine or ten i mean

2218
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:52,560
only only because there are

2219
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,430
you know

2220
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,440
questions from people probably in the

2221
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:03,360
same way that tom does just being around

2222
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:06,960
people and hearing the conversations so

2223
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,600
it's hard to answer but i i would i

2224
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,600
would put it on the upper end of the

2225
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,120
scale so

2226
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,199
remember an eight nine around there

2227
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,280
we are not that podcast that quotes

2228
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,920
anonymous sources or or does the whole

2229
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,600
he'd always talk to some really highly

2230
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,600
it's not anonymous that's not a good

2231
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,600
friend to me and you know sean's almost

2232
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,440
you know a brother to louis delazando

2233
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,159
and yeah i'd never betray that trust but

2234
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,600
i would just say

2235
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,280
the upper end of that

2236
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:35,120
yeah dan's flashing ten fingers at the

2237
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,400
screen no

2238
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,480
no he's not he's not but yeah no i i

2239
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,000
appreciate that and to be fair i don't

2240
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:41,760
think it's it's unfair that most people

2241
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,560
would go with that anyway yes and you

2242
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,960
know what if nothing else more in hope

2243
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,960
because it would actually be a little

2244
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,159
bit

2245
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,360
of a letdown and deflating if imagine

2246
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,120
lou did come out one day and go actually

2247
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,560
everything i've kind of said is pretty

2248
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,120
much what i know you would go oh is

2249
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,280
is that it as amazing as it's been you'd

2250
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,120
be like oh kinda hope there would be

2251
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,960
like a little bit more in there i i

2252
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,400
imagine there is and lewis could have

2253
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:08,239
hinted as much hasn't he if you're going

2254
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:11,440
to sit on fox news and when tucker

2255
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,400
carlson asks you about crash materials

2256
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:16,880
and crashed craft being retrieved and he

2257
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,760
says you know yes then come on that's

2258
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:21,120
that's not a guess that's from a place

2259
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,480
of knowledge that he couldn't follow up

2260
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,199
so it's another good example of

2261
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,600
all of these guys will say in my opinion

2262
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,520
and then drop a bombshell but they will

2263
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,360
never say the government kind of said

2264
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,520
this and they're trying to kind of

2265
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,159
ease the government over into

2266
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,480
into talking about the subject which is

2267
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:40,080
you know where we get into jim semivan

2268
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,199
said in the interview that one of the

2269
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,440
most amazing things that he's heard in

2270
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,280
the past you know year or so is that

2271
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,760
when he spoke to oh sorry tom said that

2272
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:50,400
when he spoke to the former member of

2273
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,760
the uaptf the guy who got replaced uh

2274
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,840
you know in the last year um that he

2275
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,120
said the most amazing thing was that

2276
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:58,480
they they don't have to be in a skiff to

2277
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:59,679
talk about this anymore they can

2278
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,960
actually just have the conversation

2279
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,239
openly around the coffee table in the

2280
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,239
pentagon and in the corridors you know

2281
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,719
and if you were a secret keeper

2282
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:09,040
that would be terrifying because there's

2283
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,239
no getting there back in your office

2284
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,480
once that starts happening

2285
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,199
do you know what we need to find as the

2286
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,520
person whether it's louis elizondo or

2287
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,679
otherwise who you know they all seem to

2288
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,520
have these little bits of information

2289
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,440
all and tom this was actually one of my

2290
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:25,040
notes from earlier and i left out just

2291
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,920
because

2292
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,679
doing some live editing while we had the

2293
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,280
conversation to move things on i went

2294
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,960
past it but

2295
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,560
all these different generals and

2296
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:34,560
high-ranking people and scientists and

2297
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,440
physicists tell tom bits and pieces okay

2298
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,440
and he pieces it all together

2299
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:41,440
but it's clearly all stuff that pretty

2300
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,239
much

2301
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,280
okay to say in some way shape or form

2302
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,120
there must be one person who could just

2303
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,960
say all this at the same time

2304
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,800
and that would be really useful as

2305
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,719
opposed to this

2306
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:54,719
well yeah and and maybe that's why eric

2307
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,840
davis tries to limit his interviews

2308
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,360
because he doesn't seem to like keeping

2309
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,920
it all in does he no but we should

2310
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,320
remember that all of his comments have

2311
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,280
not gotten him into trouble

2312
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:10,239
and if you know as far as we know we

2313
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,040
don't know what goes on in the

2314
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,199
background yeah you don't know that and

2315
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:14,719
this is i suppose the kind of darker

2316
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:17,679
side to it but you don't know that lou

2317
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,719
and chris and eric davis are anyone and

2318
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,080
really really involved and you know what

2319
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:23,520
let's put people like john greenwald

2320
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:25,840
potentially on that as well don't get

2321
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,400
text messages or you know threatening

2322
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:30,080
any emails and stuff because of what

2323
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,910
what do you think then

2324
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:38,400
yeah there's certainly a

2325
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:41,520
an undercurrent of

2326
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:44,719
i guess i guess it brings us back to

2327
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,760
things

2328
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,600
like disinformation campaigns and

2329
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,280
richard doty and things like that kind

2330
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:51,520
of diluting and diluting and muddy in

2331
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,080
the waters that we're trying to swim in

2332
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,120
um and it just it just makes it harder

2333
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,800
yeah absolutely listen i hope people

2334
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,400
have enjoyed the the catch up and it was

2335
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,920
a good interview it's been nice to kind

2336
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:03,840
of talk through it and pick apart some

2337
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,120
of those ideas and you know what's

2338
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,960
reassuring for me is when you hear these

2339
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,480
interviews and it's like stuff we have

2340
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:10,320
discussed in the past on the podcast

2341
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,280
yeah

2342
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,600
it makes me think that we're along the

2343
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,520
right lines and some of these ideas are

2344
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,600
being discussed at high levels and

2345
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,120
there's a chance that maybe some of the

2346
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,840
things we think are are correct which is

2347
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,920
which is comforting you know in a way so

2348
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,920
yeah yeah all good

2349
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,840
am i okay just to read out something

2350
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,360
that jim same event said i think it's a

2351
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,880
permanent thing to kind of close out

2352
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,840
with

2353
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,040
please yeah

2354
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,520
um so at the end of the interview they

2355
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,280
were asked how do people get involved

2356
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,880
and semi-van had a kind of a little bit

2357
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,080
of a rant that i wrote down because i

2358
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,159
thought it was just great he said don't

2359
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,320
let the the government sit quietly there

2360
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,000
are human beings that work there and

2361
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,000
they get distracted there's not much win

2362
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:49,440
in it for people to start talking about

2363
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,880
this subject when it means they can't

2364
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,880
get their job done don't let them live

2365
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,719
this down bring this up in a debate in

2366
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,040
the press to the president to the pr

2367
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,719
we're quite incomplacent after getting a

2368
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,560
report that says it's real and it blows

2369
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,719
my mind in my opinion they know a hell

2370
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,480
of a lot more than we know

2371
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,400
black programs don't tend to have a

2372
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:08,960
mechanism for public releases so we need

2373
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,120
to apply pressure and finally they will

2374
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:13,120
act on the will of the people the

2375
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,719
government doesn't own this data it

2376
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,480
doesn't own the subject it's appearing

2377
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,880
to everyone everywhere and we won't

2378
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:21,199
discuss classified info but the public

2379
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,080
has

2380
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,480
to know that the consensus reality we

2381
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,120
all agree on isn't right

2382
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,440
nice way to round out just a very quick

2383
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:31,840
update as joe murgia has messaged me as

2384
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,920
we are finishing up he's not going to

2385
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,199
tweet the stuff because it's quite a

2386
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,960
comprehensive email that i read out

2387
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:39,120
before from bob fish he is going to put

2388
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,639
it on his next blog

2389
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,080
and he will he will kind of share his

2390
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,400
thoughts on there too so he's very much

2391
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,639
yeah yeah it's some good so again he

2392
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,000
will he will have that on there if you

2393
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,000
want to read it in text form as well

2394
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,080
folks uh dan and i will be recording

2395
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,440
some more shows coming up you've got the

2396
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:55,679
listener call in part two due in a

2397
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,520
couple of days time uh we're going to do

2398
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,440
that long awaited what if they after

2399
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,000
disclosure pod as well and the futurama

2400
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,679
one is still happening people are asking

2401
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,600
about it but we are going to do it it's

2402
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:07,040
just getting to it but we are going to

2403
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,800
set aside time for it in the next few

2404
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,120
days as well so lots to still come this

2405
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,480
month and hopefully i can announce who's

2406
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,480
doing that special listener q a soon

2407
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:20,790
or or maybe more than one person i don't

2408
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,960
know yet we'll see but anyway cheers dan

2409
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:24,800
thank you thank you

2410
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,639
speak to you soon folks

2411
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,719
that is all for this week's show thank

2412
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,719
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01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,880
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01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:01,870
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01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:58,709
cuz

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01:23:10,130 --> 01:22:59,990
there was something on my head and

2430
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:27,270
[Music]

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01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:32,530
what's that

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01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:37,110
[Music]

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01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:01,560
what's that is

2434
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,520
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01:24:16,210 --> 01:24:09,360
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:27,940
so